Ref: Comment on Post of Sept 29, 2004 at 11:39 PM
Anonymous :
You have nicely and comprehensively described the present-day behaviour of human beings. Yeah, situational Ethics has become rule of the day while moral ethics is the requirement.
It has been my habit (since childhood) to do things in a planned manner. Before starting my blog, I spent many days in planning the methodology and broad outline. I try to keep my plan but, the blog being open-ended, I feel it my duty to take up earlier the chapter planned for later date if friends, who spend their precious time to guide me, take up that point.
Further, if an answer to / clarification / comment on a comment of a friend appears to be useful for friends at large, I record it in the main post in stead of the comments section.
I want to stay unbiased but the comments I have so far received indicate that Hypocrisy is more in the West than the East. (border line between East and West ?) I am living in the East. I have been to Middle Eastern countries, Africa, Turkey, Europe, UK and USA but have not been to Far East. Still I like to put it as: Hypocrisy is being felt more by the friends in the West than in the East because of two possible reasons:
(1) When things go too bad, due to human instinct, persons start searching the good.
(2) People of the West are more educated than people in the East.
You have, also, correctly pointed out the role in which God and national interest is being used (in fact misused). In my country, the phrase “In the best interest of the country” has been so frequently used that we may require to change all the dictionaries. Some rulers / leaders of my country (especially the present one) have even dared to mistranslate the Holy Book to justify their unjustified actions.
So far as emotional response from the masses is concerned, it is result of their blind faith in the ruler / leader due to lack of knowledge of moral ethics. Masses are, also, lead astray when several consecutive rulers consistently maintain Hypocrisy.
I have not mentioned religion because, in our struggle for material gains, we have placed religion in a safe locker and forgotten about it.
Again you are right that nations eat themselves up when they go too far. It was not only Rome and Greece, there were many others; Pharaoh of North Africa, Fire worshippers of Faris (now Iran), the most developed rulers of (the lost) Atlantis, etc.
You have nicely and comprehensively described the present-day behaviour of human beings. Yeah, situational Ethics has become rule of the day while moral ethics is the requirement.
It has been my habit (since childhood) to do things in a planned manner. Before starting my blog, I spent many days in planning the methodology and broad outline. I try to keep my plan but, the blog being open-ended, I feel it my duty to take up earlier the chapter planned for later date if friends, who spend their precious time to guide me, take up that point.
Further, if an answer to / clarification / comment on a comment of a friend appears to be useful for friends at large, I record it in the main post in stead of the comments section.
I want to stay unbiased but the comments I have so far received indicate that Hypocrisy is more in the West than the East. (border line between East and West ?) I am living in the East. I have been to Middle Eastern countries, Africa, Turkey, Europe, UK and USA but have not been to Far East. Still I like to put it as: Hypocrisy is being felt more by the friends in the West than in the East because of two possible reasons:
(1) When things go too bad, due to human instinct, persons start searching the good.
(2) People of the West are more educated than people in the East.
You have, also, correctly pointed out the role in which God and national interest is being used (in fact misused). In my country, the phrase “In the best interest of the country” has been so frequently used that we may require to change all the dictionaries. Some rulers / leaders of my country (especially the present one) have even dared to mistranslate the Holy Book to justify their unjustified actions.
So far as emotional response from the masses is concerned, it is result of their blind faith in the ruler / leader due to lack of knowledge of moral ethics. Masses are, also, lead astray when several consecutive rulers consistently maintain Hypocrisy.
I have not mentioned religion because, in our struggle for material gains, we have placed religion in a safe locker and forgotten about it.
Again you are right that nations eat themselves up when they go too far. It was not only Rome and Greece, there were many others; Pharaoh of North Africa, Fire worshippers of Faris (now Iran), the most developed rulers of (the lost) Atlantis, etc.
posted by افتخار اجمل بھوپال @ 4:52 pm
6 Comments:
At 9:08 pm,
Zack said…
Rather than east or west, I think hypocrisy is more prevalent in communitarian societies (like Pakistan) than in individualistic ones.
At 4:45 am,
Anonymous said…
I want to comment on the comment left by Zack. I think that individualism is an illusion. We have leaders, who "do their own thing" because of the system that placed them there. The only leaders we have that are "worth consideration" are the ones that go to private schools and stay within the confines of their socio-economic-political status. Rarely do you see someone who spent their entire educational career in public school run for the office of President or are placed there by the voters....which brings up another point. Lest the American voter be too stupid to know who to vote for for President, the Electoral College will take care of that.
We are a Nation of Sheep ready for the slaughter because we can no longer think for ourselves and the materialism in our country far outweighs the value of education, the value of family, the value of moral and ethical "right" action. I do not mean this on a personal level either, but at the level of Government. Sure we pay all kinds of lip service because it sounds good and everyone wants that in their lives...but that is not what happens. We say we value education...soooo...guess where all the new tax dollars go? Not to new books, not to teachers, but to the administration who were already receiving large paychecks and benefits. We say we value family???? No, we don't. Where is the healthcare system going in providing for families? Are we helping out all poor families, or are we helping out only ethnic minorities who are poor? There is so much corruption in the system that I am amazed it is still standing. I can come up with examples left and right that I have witnessed time and time again. It's all about being a "team player" and then again, it depends on "whose" team you are on. And if you don't play, then you don't get to live. We don't even abide by our own laws. We have reverted to Babylonian Law and then again have you been in ethnic neighborhoods recently? Try watching a Vietnamese father pull off a willow branch inside the school yard and beat his son with the branch in full view of teachers and the vice-principal with absolutely no action. Now if a white father were to do the same thing, the police would have been called and he would have been handcuffed and driven away, with Children Protective Services not far behind. Do you know that Vietnamese wives are beaten sometimes on a nightly basis, and the police if they are called, WILL NOT respond because that is o.k. culturally. Yet, if a white man were to beat his wife the police would be called and action would be taken...unless of course, your father happens to be a M.E.N.S.A. Nazi Eugenicist, then it's o.k. to beat up your wife. It's all politics...it's all who greases whose palms with payola, with money, with bribery. We are no better than Central or South America where bribery is normal. We are a corrupt nation with corrupt politics, a corrupt society and it won't be long before the House of Cards tumbles down with just a single breath. We have no honor. We have no morals nor ethics. We just do not give a hoot about anyone or anything other than ourselves. It is "Dog eat dog." "Each man for himself." "Survival of the Fittest."
I have never been to the East so I could never begin to comment. The people that I have met from the East, more India than Asia, are given more to the way that we used to be in "the old days" of the West. The educated people that I have met from Asia and from India are so much better mannered, are very caring, love their families and in conversation, take things down to the most simplistic level to the truth of any situation. Sure there are exceptions....human nature comes into play. There is always corruption no matter where you go or who you come into contact with. Always. It does not matter if you were standing in Witchita, Kansas or standing in Red Square in Moscow...it is all the same, no matter what label you want to put on it. We corrupt everything we come into contact with. Does not matter whether we are Capitalists, Socialists, Communists, we all err. I have not found one single system that is without corruption, that is without some form of hypocrisy because of the human nature that is there.
At 12:42 pm,
افتخار اجمل بھوپال said…
My Dear Son Zakaria:
First: My nation (Pakistan) is not a society or a group of societies. It is a heterogeneous mixture of individuals. Sure Hypocrisy here in Pakistan is overwhelming and that is what made me start my blog.
Second, Hypocrisy is always initiated and propagated by individuals and not by societies.
In the present world, Hypocrisy is everywhere. All countries, all governments (government to governments and government to public), all communities (community to community and within the communities) and in most of the individuals, of course to varying degrees. I have not traveled to east of Pakistan but, what information I have been getting through others and reading in authentic reports, I can quote some counties. India is full of it; government to governments, government to it’s public, community to community (cast basis), ethnic (Hindus towards Muslims, Christians and even Sikhs). Australia and Russia are no exception.
About the developed countries, known as the West, need for me to cite example of governments is not there because people may be knowing much more than I know. I quote Hypocrisy within the near and dear in individual families. Valentine, mothers and fathers days are celebrated with intense heat (apparently with great fervor). Is it all OK to place parents in Olds Homes when they deserve care by their children and then visit them or only telephone them or just send them a piece of paper saying “I love you so much” ? Is it not the worst form of the Hypocrisy. This is what you very rarely find in the East.
At 2:37 pm,
Anonymous said…
Thank you Mr. Bhopal. Thank you for the analogy of the Computer in your next blog. There are so many people I would love to send that one to, including myself so I can read it and re-read it whenever I need to.
I took care of my parents in their home. I was the last child and single at the time. They both died of cancer, 10 years apart. I received nothing but criticism everywhere. People thought I was "weak minded". That I was home living off of my parents which was not true. My parents and I had made this arrangement and because of their diseases I had to be with them 24 hours a day/7 days a week. My Dad was terminally ill with cancer when he asked me to quit my job to take care of him and my mother who was crippled with rheumatoid arthritis and later became terminally ill with bone marrow cancer. I had to bathe both by hand, feed both, and yes, everyone around me thought I was crazy and very "weak minded". I can never forgive the people who persecuted me because they were the people who gave me to the government for experimentation of electromagnetic field combat. In fact, it was the doctors of both my father and my mother that gave me over to the Department of Defense and the C.I.A. Please go to http://www.blogger.com/profile/4361448 and go to Dreams, Schemes and Flying Machines. I am a trained remote viewer. I became one because the pain of what happened to me was so great that I had to do something. I used to believe that there was goodness in the world, until what happened to me happened. I have grown up in the U.S. and out of self-defense, or self-preservation have had to become like the rest of the citizens eventhough I have a lot of differences. I was raised to love my family and take care of my family. Even my husband does not appreciate his wife nor his child and has not taken care of his child since the day she was born. I have taken care of her. He has spent all of his money on toys like recreational vehicles and all terrain vehicles and I spend my money on the survival of the family, to pay the bills and act responsibly. He has no virtue, no honesty and honor. His father used to bully my mother while she was dying, for money. If I had known that my father in-law, a German, MENSA, biologist was doing this, I would have said something to that man. In this country, there is no honor. There are no morals. There are no ethics. Men treat women like dogs and women have incredible value that is not seen by the American male. We are only to make babies and be Barbie Dolls yet be able to bring in 50,000.00/yr. while we are taking care of our babies and our families.
I cannot live like this Mr. Bhopal. I have been so changed...first by the U.S. Government and second by the men in my life who are without souls.
Thank you for showing me your life. How you believe.
At 6:41 pm,
افتخار اجمل بھوپال said…
Anonymous : Thank you for nice remarks. I don’t know whether I deserve that.
It is great of you to have served your parents in such tiring circumstances. To me it is a duty. All my life till death of my parents, I remained at their service. After getting job in 1962, I started supporting them financially with whatever I could save. When I was posted in North Africa, my mother went in to coma due to brain Hemorrhage and died after three days on June 29, 1980 before I reached home. My father had paralysis due to brain Hemorrhage in 1987 and died on July 02, 1991. I and my wife took care of him. Even my children loved their grand parents so much.
I feel strange when I hear that husbands / wives in the West do not care for their spouses. Why because, in the West, men and women select their spouses themselves after knowing each other.
We, mostly, have arranged marriages. Though my wife is my cousin but it was an arranged marriage. I and my wife are for each other and it is purely own will, no outside force acting. She, also, cares for my siblings as she does for her own and same is the case with me. Further, my siblings care for her siblings and her’s for mine. We all visit each other. Both my sons (one in USA, one with living with me) are married and their wives are just like my own daughter. They respect me like their own fathers. We are four brothers living with families in four adjoining houses within one boundary wall.
Regarding your blog, I shall write my comments, if any, in your blog.
Now your concluding remarks: “I cannot live like this Mr. Bhopal. I have been so changed...first by the U.S. Government and second by the men in my life who are without souls.”
You have much potential in you to be on the right track. Difficulties do come in life in varying degree to different people. What is the good in a person if he / she loses heart and joins the rot. Come on, only take lesson from your past and forget the rest. Build a strong person in yourself. Look for the truth and follow that. Dr Iqbal wrote:
"Toondiyay baday mookhalif say na gubra aye ookab
Yeh to chulti hey toojhay ooncha ooranay kay liyay"
In English, it is some thing like:
"Do not worry about fierceness of the opposite winds Oh eagle! This blows only to make you fly high above."
What I learned from practice of my mother and has been my motto is:
“Test of fairness is how fair you are to those who are not.”
At 10:03 am,
Anonymous said…
Mr. Bhopal, Thank you so much. Your situation is one that I would crave for. You are so blessed. Thank you.
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